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There's something to be said for the experience, and something to be said for the Clintons themselves. We've always picked whoever's the Democratic candidate. We're watching with deep fascination, and anticipation. Like, you have never been broken up with or you haven't had someone die suddenly or you haven't had the shock of parent being diagnosed with a disease or you haven't done these things.

SARA: Some of the things we're making, it seemed to me anyways, that Tegan was a bit disappointed with the trajectory after The Con. We didn't see a tremendous amount of growth in terms of our careers, and Tegan has started to sort of see us being held back somehow. She wanted to be on the same level as some of her friends who were in bands that were bigger than us, and she was like, “Why can't we have a bigger goals, and why can't we be more ambitious? And it was very difficult to express it to Sara, and especially to our managers, that I was disappointed. Like I remember the show we had The Talk, it was in London and we were playing in front of thousands of people. Tegan and I have had 17 years of adult experience where we have had to live through amazing highs and incredible lows.

” And I think tended to hold us back from a lot of those things. And so in a weird way we both sort of elevated ourselves in order to satisfy the other. It wasn't disappointing that it was thousands people. I would be standing on stages just playing the song that I wanted to write and the way that I wrote it. And it makes the future sometimes unsettling, but I feel less scared because I already know what those things feel like in a way.

It was just very specifically what I was interested in, and the type of opportunities that I was trying to achieve for us. I wasn't like, “There should be 10,000 people.” It was just that we had always grown, every record, and I felt we had sort of, kind of, “OK, we sustained.” What I realized was that we hadn't just plateaued or sustained with our audience. I know that doesn't sound like the more optimistic way, but for me that’s what “Hang on to the Night” is.

I totally believe in love for myself and my friends, but what I believe in more is that it takes a really long time to get to know someone and it's a complicated process.